know, the chrysler and gm on the brink of bankruptcy, the former mayor was in jail, and detroit had become sort of the, you know, the poster city of recession basically. >> right. >> i've seen reporters come from not just all over the country, but from all over the world basically to, you know, cover the story, but also to gawk in a weird way and to, you know, take a few photos of the packer plant, and, you know, use detroit as like some sort of metaphor for whatever was happening in the country, and that's probably around the time i called you, and you were like, oh, yeah, good luck, buddy. [laughter] i did believe, i guess, that as a, you know, as someone from the area, i could, you know, hopefully bring a nuance and a sensitivity to the topic. that includes that nuance includes things like humor. you know, i think, so often somebody comes to detroit for a few days, focusing on, like, the bleakest, you know, and most tired narratives told again and again and again, and, you know, again, as you know, detroit is a city with, you know, fascinating characters and you talk to people an
